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Imaginary countries #6439
11/10/2018 05:07 PM
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Hello everyone,

Here is a description of the illusions:

There is an illusion when a representation comes to impose itself on the consciousness, whereas this one does not refer to anything real. The illusion is of the order of a simulacrum more real than nature. To the extent that many subjects are ready to believe in a representation, there can be a collective illusion. This means that then several people will be ready to certify the validity of the interpretation of a fact that has taken place in terms of perception when they have all been abused together, that is to say that reality is not that appearance that they have seen together towards which, nevertheless, converge their testimonies founded on the senses (consensus of opinions).

I have a question about the collective illusion is what can detect the difference between illusion and reality inside the illusion?

If I understand the description of an illusion it is enough that a representation comes to impose itself on the conscience and that everyone is ready to believe in this representation to have a collective illusion more real than nature.


In the old days everyone believed in a new world with lots of good things and even there are people who reinforced this idea with lies.
Then there is a possibility that the new world is only a collective illusion.

In our present world there is a lot of description that imposes itself on the conscience and many people believe then that there are people who can see countries that exists only in our collective consciousness.



Can not know if America really exists and will be true as nature because it happens in terms of perception.
Humans before Christopher Columbus dream all of a new world full of good thing.
And in the old days bring back gold from America in our time brings back the American dream.

I think that in our reality our best dream (USA) and our worst cochmar (Saudi Arabia) exists in our reality.

More contact (conflict or sympathy) with this dream will give the end of the advanced countries.



And more contact (conflict or sympathy) with this cochmar will give the end of the non advanced countries.

and they both have a house that redoes their black and white power.

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hiho wake up real humans our imagination plays us turn before it gives dinosaur and dragon and organ and angel.
our imagination becomes super developeer is generated from countries with imaginary humans.

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To the extent that many subjects are ready to believe in a representation, there can be a collective illusion. This means that then several people will be ready to certify the validity of the interpretation of a fact that has taken place in terms of perception when they have all been abused together, that is to say that reality is not that appearance that they have seen together towards which, nevertheless, converge their testimonies founded on the senses (consensus of opinions).


Let's take the Alien discussion and make an assumption. Q: Do you believe in Aliens visiting planet Earth and make contact? A: 1) 60% of population says: "Bullocks, of course not". vs 2) 20% of population says: "beyond dispute, yes"


Does that mean there are no visitations? Because most people say 'no'?


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Then there is a possibility that the new world is only a collective illusion.
In our present world there is a lot of description that imposes itself on the conscience and many people believe then that there are people who can see countries that exists only in our collective consciousness.


That's exactly the reason why we need science. There's nothing worng with science itself. It's the atrocious act of hushing scientist with newfangled theories and ideas what's bad. We need science to determine if something (can) exist(s) in our reality. Additionaly, quantum physics is the new kid on the block.



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what can detect the difference between illusion and reality inside the illusion?


That's why humans are creators as well. We can create our own reality, we experince our own reality. Some people have conflicting realities, that happens, yes.

To draw a dumbed down version of how reality works according to my views:
If in a group of friends, consisting of 10 people, 1 person says something, 9 people will always talk to each other to form a consensus on what is to be thought of that person and statement. Now, let's say 2 persons are dominant of nature, they can manipulate opinions of others. Eventually, because of human nature (cooperation above thwarting) personal opinions might fade away.

Overall, basically, reality is what you see, feel, hear, smell and taste. The new world was a tangible thing. Other dimensions are not. Until science can significantly prove it and it being widely accepted, there will be no general acceptance of a 6th sense. I can not tell if there once were a 6th sense.

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My idea is that behind all things lies a Man or a group of Man and that all groups together are called gods.

And that the universe is only the fruit of their collaboration together.

In any case no god is more powerful than groups of infinite Man with the same status god.

https://www.aliendisc.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/6464#Post6464

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Originally Posted by extrazlove
My idea is that behind all things lies a Man or a group of Man and that all groups together are called gods.


That's what ancient history might be telling us all along. 'Gods' from the skies with unimmaginable powers. Magicians.
However, I can not explain how the Universe is created, I doubt if there is someone at all who can.

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wa9t est relative n9dr mn futur nkhla9 passé machi badarora danya tkhl9at fi passé hit wa9t est relative pas fixe.

time is relative in can since the future create the past.

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Originally Posted by extrazlove
My idea is that behind all things lies a Man or a group of Man and that all groups together are called gods.

And that the universe is only the fruit of their collaboration together.

In any case no god is more powerful than groups of infinite Man with the same status god.

https://www.aliendisc.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/6464#Post6464


Heresy!

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Originally Posted by extrazlove
My idea is that behind all things lies a Man or a group of Man and that all groups together are called gods.

And that the universe is only the fruit of their collaboration together.

In any case no god is more powerful than groups of infinite Man with the same status god.

https://www.aliendisc.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/6464#Post6464


Heresy!

Not heresy I believe in the most powerful god.

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