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NO ecosystem in the sky so we are alone #6164
Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:48 PM
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Hello everyone,





Can think of different application of nanotechnologies and artificial intelligence in the universe.



for example, a nanotechnology capable of identifying molecules and reproducing from its molecules and bringing them back to earth.



Or a nanotechnology capable of making the universe liveable for the life that creates this nanotechnology.



We are 13 billion years from the birth of the universe and no extraterrestrial life has transformed the universe to be liveable for it is weird and a proof that we are alone in the universe.



My hypothesis is applicable to the universe even for man. We must not wait very long to program nanotechnologies to bring us resources from the universe I think that can make it in less than 50 years.



and to start turning the universe into a livable ecosystem by moving molecules I think a 500-year lead in this area can do that.

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Welcome here! There is a lot of people here so you are not alone buddy!


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Re: NO ecosystem in the sky so we are alone [Re: Xeno] #6166
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You misspelled "extrazlove" it's spelled: D-r-.-T-r-o-m-p-e-u-r. Ask EdMan if I'm correct.

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Re: NO ecosystem in the sky so we are alone [Re: Nairb88] #6167
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Re: NO ecosystem in the sky so we are alone [Re: extrazlove] #6168
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What are you suggesting, that we make more planets livable or make the vacuum of space livable?

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Humans have transformed the hard conditions of nature into sky-scrapers.
so why not reduce the hard conditions of the universe with nanothecnology by moving molecules.

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Re: NO ecosystem in the sky so we are alone [Re: SynthiaSunsong] #6170
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Originally Posted by SynthiaSunsong
What are you suggesting, that we make more planets livable or make the vacuum of space livable?

space livable .

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Re: NO ecosystem in the sky so we are alone [Re: extrazlove] #6171
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Originally Posted by extrazlove
Originally Posted by SynthiaSunsong
What are you suggesting, that we make more planets livable or make the vacuum of space livable?

space livable .


Well, I can see the thought process that went into the original post. But I don't think that the lack of livable space is a reason to completely discount the existance of life elsewhere in the universe.

That is kind of like saying, an iPhone cannot boil an egg, therefore hitler did not exist.... there really is no bearing to the comparison.

As far as feasibility, you wouldn't have to use robots the size of a molecule to gather molecules and assemble them, any more than you use dust sized robots to pick up dust on your floor.... you use a vacuum cleaner. You don't use paint sized robots to paint a wall. You use a brush. You can essentially vacuum, or capture molecules in open space and compress them, but.... why would you want to, except to supply your ship?

You propose the question "why haven't they made space livable?"

To accomplish this, you need gravity. Gravity is naturally occuring. If you gather enough material, gravity will act on it's own. In fact, it would be difficult to STOP gravity from doing its thing.

Helium and hydrogen are the most prevalent gasses in the universe. Space is not empty, but the particles are fairly dispersed in open space.

If you combined enough helium and hydrogen, or nitrogen, or any other gas particles together, you wouldn't make livable space, you would make a gas planet like jupiter. Gravity would compress it, it would have a hot core, and everything else. It would be a gas giant. Maybe it could be livable and breathable in the outer atmosphere, but you would have to float around forever. You would implode if you went too far, or burn up or both... but.. you are building a planet, not making all of space livable.

If you added more gas particles together, you would end up with a star.

1000 jupiters fit inside the sun. 1.3 million earths fit inside the sun. If you amassed enough gasses to make our entire solar system livable, you would end up building a star that was billions of times larger than our sun and would be larger than any star that has ever existed. The largest star in the milky way is 100x the size of the sun and 100,000 times as bright.. That is not conducive of "living in open space".

It is basically not possible to do what you are asking.

However.

It Is FAIRLY likely, that advanced species can harness the power of a star and turn it directly into usable energy. (Fusion, not solar panels)

But again, I do not see that as a reason to discount all life in the universe.

There are 250 billion stars in the milkyway. MOST of them have planets. Most planets have moons. Life could form on a moon or a planet, it isn't that picky.

There are up to 2 TRILLION galaxies in the -observable- universe. Each of them have billions of stars with have 0 to 30 objects floating around them that can potentially harbor life.

The observable universe, means, any part of the universe which light has reached us. We can see the center of the universe but we can only see a certain distance the opposite way. Also, we can only see certain vantage points of the universe, because we are stuck inside of a giant galaxy, which blocks most of our view into deep space.

We really have no idea what is out there. Science in general is poorly funded, we only have so many telescopes, and not many people to look through them, who have the education to decipher what they are seeing. We dont find as much as we could, if people cared.

There is nothing to say that some alien race hasn't done exactly what you're saying, somewhere, and we cannot detect it. But it is unlikely that any race would do such a thing, because there is little reason to. Why create a star? They can capture any number of stars if they wanted one.


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If we are alone in the universe then it is for a reason.

Humans would not be a banality in a big universe.

And our life will have an important meaning and an important role in this universe.

the universe is a perfect organization of information so can humans be the organizers of this information.

Orcanise all the information of the universe to make the universe a great habitable ecosystem for humans to infinity.

And if humans go to infinity then God would be an infinite human civilization.

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Re: NO ecosystem in the sky so we are alone [Re: extrazlove] #6188
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If we are alone in the universe, then it would be a coincidence.

The fact that humans feel superior or somehow special compared to any other creature, other humans included, is why we still kill each other, why borders are closed, why countries do not work together to solve common issues, why our scientific advancements are hindered and are generally used for purposes of having superior firepower.

If we squash this idea that we are somehow special, humble ourselves, and learn to work together as a species, and with the planet instead of against it, I guarantee that the others who are watching us, would make themselves known to us.

If you had a neighbor who was always beating his children and wife and killing strat cats, you probably would not go and introduce yourself to them and become their best friend.

Same logic.. we are the annoying and destructive neighbors who can't handle our own power, greed, etc. No one wants to be our friend.

And they wont, until we change.


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I can take a example, running water does friction to stones so why aren`t all the mountains, rivers etc. gone and just lakes still are, because life appears really early in a planets history, my point is then, life should be everywhere since it started so early in our planets history, it`s not that hard for nature to create it sort of in a way

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Originally Posted by Spock
If we are alone in the universe, then it would be a coincidence.

The fact that humans feel superior or somehow special compared to any other creature, other humans included, is why we still kill each other, why borders are closed, why countries do not work together to solve common issues, why our scientific advancements are hindered and are generally used for purposes of having superior firepower.

If we squash this idea that we are somehow special, humble ourselves, and learn to work together as a species, and with the planet instead of against it, I guarantee that the others who are watching us, would make themselves known to us.

If you had a neighbor who was always beating his children and wife and killing strat cats, you probably would not go and introduce yourself to them and become their best friend.

Same logic.. we are the annoying and destructive neighbors who can't handle our own power, greed, etc. No one wants to be our friend.

And they wont, until we change.




Yuuppppp, awesome

To add if I may, what if these flawing noughbours have an adorable innocent kid with potential to have a prosperous future? What would you do? What are the scenarios?

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The mountains degrade every day. The Appalachian mountains are older than the rocky mountains and it is obvious that they have been weathered over time. It takes a LOT of time. There are ancient mountain ranges in Australia and africa which are no more than hills today. The earth's crust is constantly renewing itself, and much of the mountains are higher than the lakes and rivers, rain etc. Mountains are big. Rivers are small. It takes millions of years.

As for mountains, the earth is constantly moving and shaping. Some mountains are growing, some are shrinking, plate tectonics and weather change the earth. Pretty well known fact.

Just because we cannot detect life elsewhere, does not mean that it is not there.

We didnt know about bacteria until we invented a microscope to see them within the last few hundred years. We did not know there were other galaxies until we invented a telescope. We did not know that planets and stars send out radio signals until we invented radios.

See my point? We cant find other life, because we dont have the technology to find it, not because it doesnt exist.

It IS possible that we are among the first intelligent species. But that doesnt mean there are no microbes or animal life anywhere in the universe. We cant even tell if there is life on Mars, and we have landed rovers there!

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Nanotechnology combined with artificial intelligence can already identify and manipulate microscopic objects.
and can even be printed by 3D printer that feeds on nanotechnology to give more nanotechnology and bring this resource back to earth.

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