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Here is an interesting thought #4929
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I'm not sure that I have ever said this on this forum, but here is something to think about.

The universe is nearly 15 billion years old.

For about 7 billion years, it could support life.

There are trillions of trillions of stars. Almost every star has planets.

The universe is infinite and we will never be able to see the edge.

The universe will live on for trillions of years.

Here is where it gets weird.

Since there are so many stars, planets, moons etc,

You can be sure that every creature you have ever seen. Every scary movie, every monster, every puppet, every daemon, every alien you have ever seen in a movie or on TV, in drawings, comic books or can imagine, either will exist, does exist, or has existed in this universe somewhere, at some point in time, and that is true simply due to the infinite amount of space and time available for them to evolve.

Starwars is playing out somewhere.. or did... or will...

Alien vs predator is happening, did happen or will happen somewhere.

If you factor in the multiverse theory, where there are an infinite amount of parallel universes then every TV show you have ever watched is was or will happen in reality, an infinite amount of times down to the point where 1 atom may be different. Then 2 atoms.. then 3 -somewhere in the universe, throughout time and space.. then eventually 1 spec of cosmic dust will be a fraction of a millimeter off until eventually the entire universe is different... an infinite amount of times.

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That is not crazy... It is just normal reality!


Welcome in the universe 😉


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Re: Here is an interesting thought [Re: Spock] #4981
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The concept of infinity is pretty intense alright :)

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Re: Here is an interesting thought [Re: SynthiaSunsong] #4991
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New suns are always born and liveable planets always get`s in orbits of new suns again so life is forever like the universe

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Over hundreds of trillions of years, the universe will have expanded so far, that the galaxies will run put of fuel, the dying stars will no longer be close enough to form new stars, and eventually, everything will literally turn to dust, and eventually the dust itself will break down into molecules which will eventually lose their electrons and at some point, there will literally be nothing but a giant void of literally nothing. At that time, when the very last molecule pops out of existence, time will officially stop and there will literally be nothing. Time only exists because of entropy.

But until then.... there will be some sort of life

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Re: Here is an interesting thought [Re: Spock] #4994
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No, it`s not true because black holes makes new suns again because of pressure of gravity and since the universe is infinite it will never collapse ether and since planets are moving in a speed through this universe it`s suns will merge with bigger suns after some time

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Hey frankie.

Before you read this, understand that i am not trying to be argumentative, I am trying to share knowledge with you.

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This is generally the most widely accepted theory of how the universe will end. There are several documentaries about exactly this subject, which explain it much better than I can. One is hosted by Brian cox. I don't remember the name. Also, "the universe" by Neil degrass Tyson, explains this too I believe. Several others.

The universe definitely will not collapse again, we are on agreement there.

There are two major theories that are accepted in the scientific community right now. The question has been "will the universe end in a bang or a wimper?" Meaning, collapse upon itself, thereby reversing time and ultimately tuning into another singularity, and re-expanding to start the process over again? Or... fade out into nothingness. There is evidence that the universe is still speeding up due to dark energy, and it is unlikely that the universe will collapse in on itself, given much much scientific study.

As to the other things you said.

Keep in mind that I am talking a near infinite amount of time in an infinite amount of space. Not 50 years. Thing very very very very far into the future.

After a very very long time, black holes may lose their gravity, thereby releasing the matter they have collected over time. That matter, may in fact create new stars.. maybe. But black holes themselves do not create stars, as they are today. They theorized that white holes exist, however, we have never seen one. We HAVE seen (found) black holes. Tons of them.

Most people for some reason, think that black holes are like caves that things fall into because of an extreme gravitational pull. This is not the case. Most of them were stars, which, when exploded, were sent into an extreme spin, which creates so much gravity that it eats light and matter. (extremely simplified explanation).

Nothing comes out on the other side, it just lays on the surface. Eventually, over a very very very long time, they may slow down, decreasing the gravitational pull, and eventually start releasing some of the matter, however, that isn't very likely. What is more likely os that they will turn into large extremely flat circular objects with a moderate gravitational pull, until they - over a very very very very very very very long time, eventually stop spinning altogether, which would remove all gravity from the object, which would allow the particles to disperse and float in free space.

This is the case with every planet, every moon, every clump of ice. Everything in the universe.

Entropy means that everything is constantly degrading. Gravity has nothing to do with entropy.

Every element, every chemical, every piece of matter has a "half life". Which means essentially, that over a certain amount of time, it is half as potent as it was. Then over an amount of time, it cuts in half again, until it is eventually gone.

Entropy is "lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder." In response it is time + gradual decline.

We are born, we get old, we die, we turn to dust.. So does a planet.

A mountain turns into boulders which turn into rocks which turn into pebbles which turn into sand, which turn into powder etc until nothing.

Galaxies will travel farther apart. Stars will die out. Not every star explodes into super novas. The stars which become supernovas are large stars. Every super nova, creates smaller stars than the mother star. Supernovas also create TONS of material which cannot turn into stars. Heavier metals and elements. These turn into planets, asteroids or whatever. Therefore, less material for stars, each time, which means smaller stars than the previous one.

The smaller stars do not explode and rarely turn into black holes. They will become dark cold rocks, which will eventually stop spinning. (Like our sun will)

Galaxies will eventually be so far apart. that any life which lives in those galaxies will literally believe that they are alone I'm the universe, because, given the TIME vs distance, vs Expansion rate of the universe, the light from galaxies will no longer be able to travel to each other. This means that galaxies will eventually turn out of fuel. Eventually the last super nova in a galaxy will produce the last bright stars, which will basically burn out, turn cold, and the galaxie is dead. The super massive black holes in their centers will slow, the galaxies will disperse their contents. All of them...

So, after a very very very very (X 1 trillion, trillion) long time from now... eventually..... every particle in space will be separated from one another. Every spec of dust will be a separate spec of dust, strung out across INFINITE space.

These specs of dust will eventually further degrade into single particles... 1 atom of iron...... 1 atom of gold 1 atom of-whatever-.. They will start blinking out of existence one by one. a very very (times a trillion trillion trillion trillion) long time from now, eventually, there will LITERALLY only be 1 atom left, SOMEWHERE in the infinite universe............ just.... one.... one.....

And, since TIME is a measure of entropy, when that ONE atom finally blinks out of existence, time will literally stop, and the universe will literally be absolutely 100% nothing.... nothing at all.... absolutely empty...

The kicker is, if you traveled to that time in a time machine, time would start again, because there is matter, which is subject to entropy, thereby starting the clock again.


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Re: Here is an interesting thought [Re: Spock] #5017
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I know about their theories about the universe but they`re wrong it`s a little negative also

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Fair enough. Please tell us what you believe, I will listen.


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You're right, UFO-Hunter, that is how it works.

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Since the universe is infinite, then in theory an infinite amount of realities are existing as well. So in conclusion anything that we can think of, does exit. Not only in the many mediums in which we can create them or think of. But in a physical space. Maybe in another time or place, but none of the less any less real.
Expand your mind, and you expand the totality of existence itself.

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Well for example there`s no stretching of universe since there`s no dark matter and the universe itself is infinite already so, that`s one thing, matter you would feel in empty space and they miscalculated the missing gravity of orbiting planets because planets are moving fast through the space

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If you take dark matter out of the equation, then galaxies cannot exist. They have run models with and without dark matter. The gravitational pull if stars by themselves are not enough to keep a galaxy together. We can literally see dark matter. Or technically, the lack of matter. The universe is a spider web of matter and dark matter. There must be a 50/50 ratio for us to exist. Time is the motion of the expansion of the universe. If it was stagnant, then we could travel in 4d as well.


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And by the way, the last part, about (without the expansion of the universe we could travel in 4d) that was calculated by einstein himself, who through insanely complicated mathematics, found that the calculations for traveling forward in time match traveling backward in time, however we are limited to one direction due to the expansion. This is an oversimplified explanation. But as long as the universe is expanding we technically cannot travel backwards in time

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Re: Here is an interesting thought [Re: Spock] #5264
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No it`s noe true because when astronauts are in space let`s say the moon they don`t feel anything of this dark matter, exactly, if dark matter was real we`re talking about a substance that is many trillion tons heavy it would give off some gravity, you\re talking about something that is both light weight and invisible and weight like many times our sun, you would pick up something when walking on the moon for example but they didn`t

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You win Frankie.

If anyone else reading this has questions, I will gladly further debunk his theories.

Until then, I am dropping out of this thread until someone else sparks intellectual conversation.

I can't teach him and I'm not going to argue.

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Man, you just copied the dumbest theories from dumb people and haven`t produced a single original thought yourself and why wouldn`t I argue against your view of the universe as a dead place in the future I actually likes life

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Whoa hoa carefull with your opinion... Calling him dumb isn't right.

I admit that I do not believe the universe will end someday and all life will die. Actually I believe that the universe expension is not about making distance from everything but more that life, new life, is created every second and the world get larger and larger more and more alive. But I hope that the universe won't die but I do not know anything about it.


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And anyway... There is an interesting thought:

The only way to keep life after death is to create life again!


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Who said anything about him being dumb, do you still type just to type Xeno? tongue

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