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Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? #3028
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Hey everyone, I've struggled years with belief in God.
But I've always believed that there is something out there. That its impossible for no other life other than ours to exist. So if I believe in aliens, or their existence, for me that would cancel out belief in God. That the God in the bible would not of created any race other than humans. And that science is our real t truth. So for me personally, I feel religion to be man made. So I guess I'm wondering, do most alien believers consider themselves atheist or agnostic?

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I like the idea of there being a creator, but I don't think it's a god. I've always had the idea in my mind that it was aliens who helped us become the way we are.
I'm not saying they wanted us to destroy our own planet like we've been doing, but I do think they taught us a lot of the things that make us different from the other inhabitants of the earth.
Before I started being interested in aliens, I was atheist. I'm not sure what I'd call myself now. gotcha

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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: Sober] #3030
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Heyya,

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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: JF Sabastian] #3031
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I believe in gods


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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: Xeno] #3032
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Actually I don't see how believing in ET/aliens should make someone not believe and gods.

Thet ET I have meet that told me to be my parents they said ''We have greater gods'' so ET themselves they believe in gods and maybe at their level they actually know goods exist with proof and evidences that say yes ET exist but gods too God dman it! I know they is some sort of cultural influence here wherew some people they really motivate the behavior or believe that ET or aliens are gods. We are not gods. ET are ET, aliens are aliens, humans are humans and gods are gods!


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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: Xeno] #3041
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Word up Xeno agreed.

Men had to put extraterestrials contextually, into something more easily digestible to the masses.

Ha I suppose we could go into what benefits it would have to the rulers of that era to have made it into the dumpster fire that religion is and has always been...?๐Ÿ˜œ

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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: JF Sabastian] #3042
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I feel there`s something more but not a god

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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: JF Sabastian] #3043
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Well I don't see how it is easier to accept concept of greater power above us more than existence of just... other people from somewhere else :o


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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: frankie85] #3044
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Originally Posted by frankie85
I feel there`s something more but not a god


There is something more than gods you are right

There is something between ET and gods

There is a lot more! A machination is in progress here and it is maybe that ''something else'' you are talking about


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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: Xeno] #3045
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No I sort of feel it inside myself there`s something more

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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: frankie85] #3046
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Let's hear it.๐Ÿ˜

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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: JF Sabastian] #3047
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It`s some sort of a consciousness, I feel it deep inside of me

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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: frankie85] #3048
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Right

Me too

I'm almost in tears sometimes at night while I'm skywatching and I can't explain it. Such an awe and stillness..

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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: JF Sabastian] #3049
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I feel it too

There is something else here


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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: Xeno] #3050
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You mean on the forum Xeno? Perhaps gotcha

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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: frankie85] #3051
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The whole plan/projects

There is something else


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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: Xeno] #3067
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I consider myself to be an orthodox Christian. I am Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. I tend to interpret the Bible fairly literally, which in my opinion, in no way cancels out the validity of Science. True Science, and True Religion, can never be in conflict one with another. We may not always understand the way they relate to each other, but that is OUR fault, not God's. There is no conflict between Darwin and Adam and Eve. Absolutely none.

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I admit I have not had time to read this whole post....yet...

But the question was asked. "Are et believers athiests?"

1. This one is..

I deleted the majority of what I wrote because I dont want to start a holy war...

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Re: Are extraterrestrial believers atheists? [Re: Spock] #3077
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In a nutshell...

Christianity came from Judaism. It was a small splinter cell of people who broke off from the jewish religion. Christianity was a cult.

Christianity has changed vastly over time to accommodate certain people's beliefs and things have been written onto and taken put of the bible over time to reflect this.

Judaism, was founded by a man who was from Mesopotamia. 100% of the old testaments stories were changed from the words gilgamesh to "god". Even gilgamesh wasnt supposed to be real.

Gilgamesh and the tower. Gilgamesh and the flood gilgamesh and the garden, gilgamesh and the pillars of salt, Saddam and gamora were also in there as different names and locations. Homeboy changed all the names and places and went to a place where no one knew any different and changed snake gods to "the one true god" and made snakes evil. And started a NEW religion.

So how is christianity any more real than Judaism, and how is Judaism any more real than the mesopotamian religion, and how are those any more or less real than jupiter, a turn, aphrodite, thor, Zeus, insert name here? Or every individual thing on earth being it's own God. Tree gods gods of rock, the sun God.

If you play the game of "which religion is the truest" you may as well believe in nature and a sun god, because almost every religion everywhere on the planet started with a sun god. Because at least thos, would make us RESPECT the earth and not destroy it.

People want to argue "well without religion people would fall into some evil spiral of doom and would run crazy on the streets". False. Everyone knows right from wrong and has a sense of it. I dont murder people and I dont believe in God.

But more to that point.... religion was made in order to answer questions that science had not answered yet. Once answered, they were taken out of religion.... for most people... yeah some people literally still believe the earth is flat... idiots... but on the other hand, religion got to the point where the fires of hell stopped scaring people, so they formed government and laws to prohibit things that the bible said not to do. (Some of them)

But. Of you do follow the rules of the bible, there are tons of things you do NOW that would send you to hell. If you believe in one thing you cant dismiss something else just because it does not suit your needs either societally or personally.

Otherwise there would be a lot of dead women who had sex or got [beep] before marriage. No one would have tattoos or beards, lots of crap.

Furthermore if God talked to us, like was claimed. Then why did he start 4000 years ago and do so briefly to a very select few people, (who either made it up or were schizophrenic or on shrooms) rather than be there from the very start.

If you have a pet dog, you dont ignore the dog until the last 2 months of its life then feed it once, show it affection and let it fend for itself again till it dies. We have been human for more than 125k years and the things we came from were also intelligent. We didnt just... suddenly one day become human. For example, we have been using speech for a few million years.

People used to justify slavery of blacks through religion too. They told them "you have to suffer now, because when you die you will go to a better place". That's what the Jews told each other when they were in the same situation.

But the truth is. People in general believe when they die, they are going to a better place. Therefore THIS place does not matter. Who is in charge of the oil? Strip mining? Pollution? Chemical industrial plants and everything else that pollutes and destroys the earth and is melting the ice caps as well as our government? And who makes the lion's share of the money in this world? (You know, the material possession the bible warns against)? Hard core conservative right wing christians.... why does this matter? "So what. Destroy the earth. We are going someplace better anyway and we are basically in hell already and being made to suffer"...

That's dumb... and it is destroying the one thing we have for everyone else, it also hinders our advancement as a race, religion starts wars, destroys people and economies, oppressed people, is full of hypocrisy, etc.

I mentioned this the other day. Thousands more cases of molestation have been brought to light about the catholic church in the week since I last mentioned it. If you want to know which religion is the truest by age, technically Catholics have been around longer, so any other Christian religion is b.s. and were all formed within the last few hundred years.

No one else sees the hypocrisy?

The world is not flat, it isnt 4000 years old, there is no one supreme god , noah didnt exist, there was no great flood while humans existed and 2 animals each yadda yadda. and even the letters from paul,... the ORIGINAL letters.. said "if .....(if) jesus had existed, he would have been a shepherd or a carpenter... yeah that got deleted out of the bible and re-phrased.

Also the end of days story... there were two versions. One that is in the bible today. Fire and brimstone and everyone goes to hell... (which means the ability to control the masses) the other said "in the end everyone is forgiven and all go to heaven" (which means do whatever you want now you'll end up In heaven anyway) that got deleted.

There was an entire book about Mary (not jesus mom) about how she was the one who was in charge of the group she went and gathered people she did his finances and brought money and food to them and was his wife..... that got omitted... because they didnt want ANY woman to have power over a man. They turned her into a [beep]!. LITERALLY!.

They said it was not an accurate book because it was written some time after jesus died..... yet... ALL of the books were written hundreds of years after he died if he existed at all.

AND for as much talk there was about jesus, the Roman's kept very good logs about everything that happened. There have been zero accounts about jesus popping up. As much of an issue as jesus was to the Roman empire, there were no mentions of him... well... only one....

The ONLY ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE about jesus was this.

There was one letter that said they (romans) brought jesus and Mary's two sons in for questioning after jesus died... (of natural causes, in some far away land) they wanted to make sure they didnt follow in his footsteps and would discontinue the uprising. They promised not to, and were let go.

But that doesnt mean they were who they said they were or that it was authentic. Anyone can write anything at any time. Someone wrote that almost 2k years ago, and it could have been anyone.


So.. that turned out to not be so "nutshell" but. I am opposed to christianity or religion as a whole, but only because I have common sense and have spent a LOT of time researching the truth, and learning about other religions and their parallels.

Ray wiley Hubbard has a song about talking to the devil. One of the lyrics said

"Well hot shot tell me this, which religion is the truest.
He said "well they're all about the same, buddha was not a Christian but jesus would have made a good Buddhist"

And that about sums it up.

The reason i hate having this conversation is for one reason.

People who truly believe, say "well... you gotta have faith.. that's what the bible said you gotta have faith"..

Or "the bible says that satan would tell you do say that and he owns the earth and all of this is his domain and he is tricking you"...

And it's hard to argue common sense with people like that because they clearly have none.

Inherently almost NO Christian's 100% fully and truly believe in their religion and most of them get VERY offended when you say things like this, because deep down at a fundamental level, they WANT to have that "faith" and they consider it a "test of their faith" when you bring up common sense stuff that shakes their foundations that makes them believe everything they were programmed from birth to believe!

Yes. Someone programmed you to believe in christianity.

Dont believe it? How many little kids with suicide belts have you heard about blowing up american troops? How many kids with AK-47s walk around africa, or isreal..... or numerous other places... how many Child slaves are there, how many prostitutes are out there, how many cults are there where people kill themselves because of a comet... and .. scientology? Wtf?

De-programming christianity from the masses would be hard, but as a race, to survive long enough to fix the planet, we need to do so. Stop killing scientific projects that help humanity, fund the ones that do, and come together as a unified race. Not by country creed religion or color.

The only time white people have ever gone to war with other white people was ww2 because Hitler wasnt christian, and his new religion killed Jews. We didnt even care about that (as americans) until the government saw a way to disintegrate the english empire and save the day, and take all of the resources for ourselves and turn into a super power. Then swooped in to "save the day" and take all the credit and spoils of war.

Now we are killing muslims... again.... still....

Because their God isn't the same God and they dont believe what we believe therefore need to be wiped out... same [beep] that has been happening for thousands of years. Literally. #crusades #Spanish inquisition #insert name here.



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UFO-HUNTER, your post is so much garbage that there is no need to even respond to most of it.

Of course Christianity came from Judaism. No one disputes that. Calling it a cult, however, using it in the same sense that that word is used for people like Jim Jones and his followers, is just a juvenile tactic designed to offend. It may be your level but I am far above that.

Technically, EVERY religion is a cult. In fact, in Spanish, the word "culto" is used to refer to religion in general. Costa Rica's Government has a Ministry designated "el Ministerio de Cultos", the Religion Ministry, since Roman Catholicism is official, and every other religion must register with the State. But in English, the word "cult", outside of sociological use (where it can be used to refer to every religion), is generally used as an insulting term for things that are weird or outside the mainstream. Your use of the term simply indicates how juvenile you are.

No, the Bible was NOT written by replacing names. In fact, some of the stories in it have some similarity to stories that came from pagan sources. So what? That simply implies that the stories are true.

To question whether Jesus existed is to hark back to now discredited 19th Century theories. It is now accepted by every serious historian of any Faith or no Faith that Jesus existed. Non-Christian resources mention him.

The New Testament was written, starting with the letters of Paul, in the decades after Jesus' death and Resurrection. Jesus was crucified in 33 AD. Paul began writing in the 60's AD. The last books of the New Testament, the Johannine Corpus, were ended with Revelation in 96 AD. So the LAST book of the New Testament was completed 63 years after Christ was crucified. Hardly "hundreds of years".

Christianity hardly embraced other doctrines over the years to accommodate Pagan belief. In fact, Christians were willing to be killed in order not to have to offer even one grain of incense to the Emperor, although otherwise, they were loyal Roman Subjects, who prayed for the Emperor's success regularly.

It IS true that Christian Doctrine took some time to settle out, over the years. It wasn't completely resolved until 787 AD, with the Seventh Ecumenical Council, which decided that images in Church were not idolatrous. But EVERY Council was built on the beliefs of the Councils previously, and there were no invitations to non-Christians. The Councils were always Bishops of the Church making decisions about Christian matters.

As for proving which religion of the many Earth-bound ones is the most accurate, that WOULD take time and effort, but it could be done. I just do not see the point.

Your response is so juvenile and immature that any further response is unnecessary. You make yourself look foolish enough. I don't have to do it for you.


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